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kateua

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4 days ago.

Anonymous
Askedthen, do you think that Russian is behind all of the corruption? and that's explain why they're always win. :s or they're just another country that love Russia and they want Russia to win every competition?

I do believe that there are under the table agreements between officials. And a lot of turning a blind eye from those who don’t directly collude. And that the perks aren’t always a gold medal.  

Russia also isn’t magically getting medals. They have a ridiculously amazing training program and an immense talent pool. They consistently turn out medal worthy gymnasts. 

Big competitions get more criticism because of, well, how big they are. But there is also some shadiness going on at national comps, where Russia is nowhere in sight. It’s basically just officials being awful in general.

4 days ago.

Anonymous
AskedDo you think that Russian (aka Irina Viner) is actually bought or bribed FIG??? (It's so easy for her to bribe any Federations that even exist on earth because her husband is Alisher Usmanov :s) If not can you explain why Russian gymnasts still got high score or even higher than perfect routine from another gymnasts when they made mistakes??? example : Kanaeva's Ribbon, event final score in Mie 2009.

Maybe they have some secret on writing excellent DV sheets. Or political coercion. Or sheer reputation and ass kissing.  I have no idea hahaha

I’m more annoyed at there being corruption to begin with rather than who is getting perks. The whole “it takes two to tango” cliche and the fact that so many insiders were quick to keep their mouths shut. It’s bigger than one country or person and is sadly expected by so many fans.

5 days ago.

Anonymous
AskedIs it possible that a rhythmic gymnast writes their sheet with more than 10 start DV (with exceed elements, in case she's fast enough to does it all), she writes it as 10 which the limit is but it's actually more than 10.(please don't be confuse, I don't know how to explain. this is the best I can) In case that she miss or incomplete some elements so she can cover it by doing another elements that she write down on the sheet? if it's possible can you tell me who've ever done this before?

No, you cannot write more than 10 DV just in case.  It wouldn’t count and there would also be penalties.

5 days ago.
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AskedCould you break down Melita's other routines from Euros then? I understand what you're saying about the sport not being as transparent but I'm mainly just looking to understand why some things are considered more difficult than others and how different apparatuses work! Since other apparatuses have a different focus :)

elegance-in-rhythm:

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No problemo, Anon: http://imgur.com/a/MKrus#0.

If you scroll down to the bottom of each analysis, I added the YT link for easier reference.

I also reworked her clubs with elegance-in-rhythm's advice haha. There are probably still mistakes but ah.. c:

ahhh great job as usual :D :D 

Not trying to be picky or anything, but I really like going through your analysis and hope you don’t mind if I make more comments :P 

For her ball: I doubt that Staniouta would claim M for the 2 rolls in the first rhythmic steps- It doesn’t seem “original” enough, which is a requirement for Mastery. I would guess the 0,4 can be accounted for by claiming 1080 for the ring pivot with help (+0.30) ( which I would award her haha) , and the first risk, which has 2 change of axis rather than one (+0.10, since the 3rd rotation is a cartwheel if you look carefully). But how to account for the given D score if these were true, I’m not too sure :P But still, awesome stuff! 

Are you kidding? There are so few people to talk rhythmic with, let alone the COP. You are awesome, so I don’t mind at all! 

I agree on the point about masteries needing to be strict, but, to be honest, I think a lot of the more well known gymnasts are getting so-so M counted. Especially on routines where they mess up a good amount of their body difficulties and somehow end up with high 8s or 9s? How. Perhaps there are some originalities being claimed or leniency on risk criteria? I don’t know. 

You could very well be right about the ring being 1080 rather than 720, but I usually see her let go after 720 for this routine. And I wouldn’t give her the 1080 anyhow mwuahaha :P

For the cartwheel, hmm.. food for thought and I will go bug the folks at rsg.net. I calculated it as a rotation on the horizontal axis so - V, H, H. 

Thanks for bringing these up! It’s good insight and conversation. c:

1 week ago.

Anonymous
AskedCould you break down Melita's other routines from Euros then? I understand what you're saying about the sport not being as transparent but I'm mainly just looking to understand why some things are considered more difficult than others and how different apparatuses work! Since other apparatuses have a different focus :)

No problemo, Anon: http://imgur.com/a/MKrus#0.

If you scroll down to the bottom of each analysis, I added the YT link for easier reference.

I also reworked her clubs with elegance-in-rhythm's advice haha. There are probably still mistakes but ah.. c:

1 week ago.
merylsdavis
viktoriakomova

Citius. Altius. Fortius.

1 week ago.
aporgras
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1 week ago.
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AskedDo you think Yana deserve gold medal in baku 2014?? can you analyse Yana's clubs difficulty and Meli's club difficulty And can you explain why and where Neta got that huge score??? thanks in advance

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I’m kind of eh over it. I don’t find it extremely upsetting, but I would have loved to see Melitina come out on top for sure.

Heads up, Anon - I’m not a judge and can only guess what is being claimed on the gymnasts’ sheets, so take the following with a grain of salt:

VALUE is total DV of what I assume is being claimed, I WOULD GIVE is self explanatory, POSSIBLY GIVEN is what may have been counted by judges.

There may be mistakes/typos, so anyone feel free to correct or pitch in.

Short notes:

I don’t doubt Neta has a 10DV, but I’m just not finding it.. though what she has is solid.  Yana I had to count many small things to get max because she does a ton of so-so tricks, but with countable criteria.  Melitina was the opposite problem because she has a challenging routine all throughout.

gifwatermark Wow this is really awesome! So detailed :D I’m pretty sure you could qualify for as a judge pretty easily if you wanted to, with this kind of knowledge and analysis already :) 

Only 1 thing, I believe the flat foot penche turn is 0.4 for 360, and 0.2 for each additional rotation.For Staniouta, this can be accounted for because the flat foot penche is 0.6 ( instead of 0.7), while the cossak+penche on releve turn would have an additional 0.1 for connection (ie 0.2+0.1+0.5= 0.8). 

elegance-in-rhythm:

Haha thanks, friend! Please do share what your friend says, as it would be helpful esp. coming from someone with actual credentials.

For the flat foot penchee, I DO remember someone telling me that.  I know for balances that it explicitly says .10 less for flat. I feel like I read the same for pivots, but I can’t find it. Do you know where that is? 

And for Meli’s signature, it would not get a connection since she doesn’t go from flat to releve or vice versa.  All she gets bonus is change of level. Plus it would count as 2 difficulties and not 1 - so 10, rather than 9.  I always think she is claiming 720 cossack.. as I find it too difficult to attempt for just .70.  Or, heck, maybe even claiming 720 penchee for a whopping 1.20! 

Hmm I believe flat foot penche is a separate difficulty from the one which on releve! It’s under row 6, next to illusions, with base of 0.4 :) So there is no need to deduct 0.1 for flat foot:D

Under 1.9.3.2, It states that ” For possible change in gymnast level…. + 0.1 point for each”, so I think it still can get a connection bonus despite being a single difficulty! For it to be a mixed difficulty ( ie count separately as 2 difficulties), the pivot has to be “either with plie-releve or from releve to flatfoot”, (1.1.5). 

elegance-in-rhythm

Weird. This is what I am seeing:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/7425ec338306714

I have the Feb ‘13 version, so maybe it’s changed since then? (re: the penchee flat)

I just realized we were talking about completely different things with her signature though. Basically, we are both agreeing on change of level.. but not the value of the Cossack!  The reason I am getting .70 and not .80 is because I don’t think she bends forward for the .20 Cossack, so I always just give her the .10 one haha

So what I did was: 360 Cossack upright (.10) + level (.10) + 360 Penchee (.50) = .70

But you are probably right on both counts so I will recalculate.  Someone is requesting all of Staniouta’s routines so I will re-work clubs. c:

1 week ago.
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2 weeks ago.

Anonymous
AskedDo you have more of those difficulty breakdowns like the ones from Neta's, Yana's and Melita's clubs? I would love to learn more about it, especially regarding risks and body difficulty because those are very hard for me to understand and there aren't really any good YT videos like there are for AG.

Is there a certain one this quad you’d like me to try and breakdown?  I certainly wouldn’t mind checking it out.  I’m not at all confident on previous quads as I don’t have a good grasp on them.  Also, Anon, like I said before: take my analysis with a grain of salt.  There’s a lot of guess work with the whole lack of transparency in the sport.

2 weeks ago.
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AskedDo you think Yana deserve gold medal in baku 2014?? can you analyse Yana's clubs difficulty and Meli's club difficulty And can you explain why and where Neta got that huge score??? thanks in advance

elegance-in-rhythm:

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I’m kind of eh over it. I don’t find it extremely upsetting, but I would have loved to see Melitina come out on top for sure.

Heads up, Anon - I’m not a judge and can only guess what is being claimed on the gymnasts’ sheets, so take the following with a grain of salt:

VALUE is total DV of what I assume is being claimed, I WOULD GIVE is self explanatory, POSSIBLY GIVEN is what may have been counted by judges.

There may be mistakes/typos, so anyone feel free to correct or pitch in.

Short notes:

I don’t doubt Neta has a 10DV, but I’m just not finding it.. though what she has is solid.  Yana I had to count many small things to get max because she does a ton of so-so tricks, but with countable criteria.  Melitina was the opposite problem because she has a challenging routine all throughout.

gifwatermark Wow this is really awesome! So detailed :D I’m pretty sure you could qualify for as a judge pretty easily if you wanted to, with this kind of knowledge and analysis already :) 

Only 1 thing, I believe the flat foot penche turn is 0.4 for 360, and 0.2 for each additional rotation.For Staniouta, this can be accounted for because the flat foot penche is 0.6 ( instead of 0.7), while the cossak+penche on releve turn would have an additional 0.1 for connection (ie 0.2+0.1+0.5= 0.8). 

elegance-in-rhythm:

Haha thanks, friend! Please do share what your friend says, as it would be helpful esp. coming from someone with actual credentials.

For the flat foot penchee, I DO remember someone telling me that.  I know for balances that it explicitly says .10 less for flat. I feel like I read the same for pivots, but I can’t find it. Do you know where that is? 

And for Meli’s signature, it would not get a connection since she doesn’t go from flat to releve or vice versa.  All she gets bonus is change of level. Plus it would count as 2 difficulties and not 1 - so 10, rather than 9.  I always think she is claiming 720 cossack.. as I find it too difficult to attempt for just .70.  Or, heck, maybe even claiming 720 penchee for a whopping 1.20! 

2 weeks ago.

Anonymous
AskedDo you think Yana deserve gold medal in baku 2014?? can you analyse Yana's clubs difficulty and Meli's club difficulty And can you explain why and where Neta got that huge score??? thanks in advance

I’m kind of eh over it. I don’t find it extremely upsetting, but I would have loved to see Melitina come out on top for sure.

Heads up, Anon - I’m not a judge and can only guess what is being claimed on the gymnasts’ sheets, so take the following with a grain of salt:

VALUE is total DV of what I assume is being claimed, I WOULD GIVE is self explanatory, POSSIBLY GIVEN is what may have been counted by judges.

There may be mistakes/typos, so anyone feel free to correct or pitch in.

Short notes:

I don’t doubt Neta has a 10DV, but I’m just not finding it.. though what she has is solid.  Yana I had to count many small things to get max because she does a ton of so-so tricks, but with countable criteria.  Melitina was the opposite problem because she has a challenging routine all throughout.

2 weeks ago.
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RG Code of Points Update (June 2014)

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Wow this is news! I quite like the changes though :))

Daphne, your tag:

#might pick up horizontal fouttes again (the old 0.1 value wasnt worth it lol)

My first thought when I saw the value change was: aLINAAAAaAaaA DID YEW HEAR THAT.

2 weeks ago.
AskedWith this new limit in masteries, how do you think Kudryavtseva will fare?

I literally laughed out loud when I saw the mastery cap.  It’s probably safe to say that there were complaints?  But, frankly, I don’t think it’s going to make a huge difference tbh. She won’t suddenly be like no.10 all the time.

There is a 100% chance she’ll use up the cap on all her routines, so 1.5.  With the value boost, what once took 7 masteries can be gained in just 5.  Yeah, okay but she can’t do any more so HA!  Well, easy: add 1-2 steps and/or DER rotations, and, boom, 3-4 M gap filled.  She could also just bring back the 720° attitude, 360° penchee flat, and/or fouettes (usually 3 iirc?)  The 720° ring will also probably stay because she’s been good lately.

If ANYTHING her mistakes will be more costly, but her DV will be fine.  At least it won’t feel like too much of a cop out.  That’s not really the word I’m looking for but yaknowatimean.  When she messes up.. it could actually hurt.

Still, I think it’s hilarious that they made a cap.

2 weeks ago.